Me: Being a responsible congressman by attempting to balance the budget is very extreme. I can't imagine why anyone would want the government to only spend as much as it taxes.
We need more federal funding for art! Otherwise their won't be any! The
States are completely incapable of taking care of the education of their
We were given a bad economy 4 years ago and since Obama was elected everything has gotten...uh...better?
Andy Ostroy I appreciate good sarcasm as much as the next guy....but Ryan isn't
merely attempting to "balance the budget." he's an ideologue who wants
to radically transform medicare/medicaid, SS all the while giving even
greater tax breaks to the rich. And yes, apart from partisan
spin/rhetoric...the economy is appreciably better...that is of course if
you judge it by facts and stats.
Me: Where is it then that I may find those facts and stats? I came here to
the Huffington Post in order to better understand the opinions of my
political opponents. I am interested in where, specifically, it is
those of you on the left get you facts and stats. Any direction would
be much appreciated.
Is it not true that to whichever degree Ryan is an ideologue, many democrats are the same the other way?
Is it not also true that we are $16 trillion in debt, and add about $1.3 trillion each year? http://cbo.gov/publication/42636
Have any democrats attempted to pass a budget that has even the vaguest hope of reducing either?
Andy Ostroy I will assume you're asking a genuine question, so I will answer you
seriously. Look at GDP, employment, consumer confidence, the unfreezing
of credit, manufacturing, construction, corp profits, stock market, and
string retail, housing auto, banking recoveries. They all have numbers
for Fall '08 vs today. make the comparisons. You'll find your answer. We
call 'em facts and stats.
Me: (Am paraphrasing my reply because I forgot to post it here and it is in moderation there so that I cannot see it.)
Sept '08 (latest month in '08 for which I could find a bls report) unemployment (with link to BLS.gov): 6.1%
July '12 unemployment (with link to BLS.gov): 8.3%
I remain unconvinced that we are better off since Obama was elected.